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climate change coming or going ? - COMMENTS FROM dAILY
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Thousands of “emails from
the University of East Anglia webmail server” —
a top climate research center in the United Kingdom
— “were hacked recently” and dumped on a
Russian web server. Global warming deniers are sifting
through the illegally obtained letters of private
correspondence for “proof” that the scientific
consensus on climate change is actually a global
conspiracy. — “If you own any shares in
alternative energy companies I should start dumping them
NOW,” says the Telegraph’s James Delingpole.
James Delingpole is a writer, journalist and broadcaster who is right about everything. He is the author of numerous fantastically entertaining books including Welcome To Obamaland: I've Seen Your Future And It Doesn't Work, How To Be Right, and the Coward series of WWII adventure novels. His website is www.jamesdelingpole.com
Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming'?
Gun’ in Researchers’ Leaked E-Mails: The Telegraph has posted some of the more scathing excerpts from these emails, which the newspaper suggests points to manipulation of evidence and private doubts
This is more of the same missing the point stuff. It is
all: Lets argue about who is right and who is wrong and
lets keep this endless argument going for decades until
the oils runs out and then think about what to do.
Carbon gases produced by burning oil products are damaging to health and the environment generally. Whether or not they are causing the world to warm up is immaterial. They are all bad for the planet and especially for humans so why not start seriously to find alternative energy sources? Never mind the stupid arguments lets do the anti-polution exercises and help developing countries clean up too by giving them the technology and lets get some money spent on being the first to harness some decent clean power supplies.
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benjamin of course it has
gotten warmer than your Grandad's day - we have been
coming out the little Ice age for about 150 years and our
axial tilt has changed slightly. My own grandfather
remembered it being nearly light up till about 11 pm a t
night in the north of england circa 100 years ago. Now it
looks like we may be heading into another cold patch.
again. Even in the 1970’s I remember the heavy
snowfalls.
Basically the climate follows periodic cycles and changes
all the time, there are also cycles within cycles within
cycles.
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I’m sorry but would someone explain to me what
relevance facts have to do with anything?
The real world is different than the idealized one in everyone’s head.
Emotional investment > reality
Hyperbole > Fact
Law > Justice -and- Money > Law
Wild erroneous claim > retraction and correction
Corruption > fair play
Like I said, it is only in the imagined world that
good overcomes evil. Therefore I tell you, that no matter
what validity this carries, the corruptive forces in
power now have enough money, mass and momentum to
overcome this and any other threatening truth.
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I worked in a lab in the 90s (in the US) where a
secretary was found to have pocketed a small amount of
funds from the lab (probably less than $1000). Because
the funds were from US research grants the result was a
major FBI investigation and the employee faced many years
of prison time under felony prosecution. Should these
allegations be true, if similar standard apply to the
misappropriation of UK tax monies then all those involved
should clearly face decades behind bars. I am
particularly hopeful that US labs were implicated in
these emails as I’d love to see some of those folks
face serious jail time.
Reading this blog and the resulting comments has opened my eyes a bit to things on your side of the ditch. I’d really pretty much written you all off as hopelessly Red.
Next you guys will be getting your guns back. 
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All references to the Cru data hack are now disappearing
faster than Eires chances of playing in the next World
Cup .. Comment is un free it would appear ..or basically
, they know that they are fcuked on this and that its the
begining of the end .The end of all their little
fantasies of enforcing vegetarianism , cycling , higher
taxes and other crimes on Joe Public ….
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Duckham on Nov 20th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
“Carbon gases produced by burning oil products
are damaging to health and the environment generally.”
Complete 100% 24-carat bullshit. CO2 is not a pollutant, it is an essential component of our atmosphere without which there would be no plants on Earth.Further, many agricultural systems produce markedly increased yields by increasing the percentage of the CO2 in their greenhouses.
If you are referring to carbon monoxide or partially
combusted hydrocarbons, they became a thing of the past
with the advent of the catalytic converter.Yet again you
show your utter ignorance, pitcher.There are
numerous reasons to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels,
but that is not one of them.
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msher1; you are right, and Guardian expert is wrong, it’s not basic physics.
The expression extreme sensitivity to initial conditions is scientific lingo about chaotic/stochastic systems. Get the initial conditions wrong and you churn garbage around and out. Try to adjust some of your input data, still the wrong long-term result is spat out. This means your model does not work and never will, see AGW model predicting constant warming or BBQ summer etc.,.
Re complex climate models have to get cosmic radiations, ocean currents, sun spot cycles, with dzillions of other data, exactly right. Looks hopeless to me.
msher1, you have been doing a great fight; agree with
you: it is the political and scientific boogeyman we have
to overcome together.
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For those who think there might be credibility to AGW (Junkkmale and others). You need only to look at the theory (uhh make that weak hypothesis) behind it. It postulates that essentially 100 PPM of CO2 (this is the amount we have added since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution) is capable of causing irreversible and catastrophic climate change on a global level…100 PPM!…that’s Parts Per MILLION! On top of the fact that CO2 is not an efficient greenhouse gas how could that be enough even if it were? Would 100 PPM of methane (a real greenhouse gas) even be enough to do this?
So start there and then look at other known scientific facts like:
-Since roughly 1850, we have been coming out of the
Little Ice Age so warming is expected.
-Geological studies have essentially proven that
throughout Earth’s history CO2 levels have generally
been much higher (in the order of 1000+ PPM) even during
ice ages.
-Eric the Red today would not have named it Greenland,
yet we now panic over ice melt there.
So call me a dumb southern Yank but I always thought
that everything was debatable in science but any
dissenters of late have been all but banished from the
scientific community here in the US. And the official
word, especially with O in town is “the sky is
falling” so we must act now in any way that we can
regardless of the consequences. I am so glad to see
prominent members of the British community, like Lord
Christopher Monckton stand up to this. If only our elites
and media would do this. But, then again, we
wouldn’t want to get in the way of Copenhagen now
would we?
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The reality is that Global Warming has continued over the
past decade or so although at a slower pace. If the hot
El Nino year of 1998 is taken out of the data (or if you
start measuring from before 1998) the earth has warmed
over the past 11 to 12 years. Furthermore, very recent
data clearly shows a warming trend. Oct. 2009 was the 10th
warmest Oct. on record for Alaska. Oct.-Nov. 2009 has
been a record hot spell for much of Australia. The total
size of the ice mass in the Arctic during Oct. 2009 was
the lowest ever recorded for that month. And, as the
month of Nov. 2009 began there was also the lowest amount
of Arctic ice ever recorded for that month. I might add
that recent data shows the rate of the ice melt in
Greenland to be accelerating.
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Since it’s always good to consider more than one
angle of a story, how about a gander at the initial
response from the other side, including Realclimate?
http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/20/hacked-hadley-emails-hottest-decade-on-record-and-the-oceans-planet-keep-warming/
I get the impression that there’s much zeal out
there to take statements out of context, misinterpret
remarks, and suggest that certain comments are
representative of general sentiment in the climatology
community.
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@alexj and others who think the rationalizations at
RealClimate and ClimateProgress have any validity…
Basically they claim that these emails are the normal backroom chatter that goes on in scientific work.
I’ve lived and worked in the earth science
community since 1965 and I know what the back room
chatter sounds like, especially when important work is
being done. That’s not what’s in these emails.I’ve
been reading through them, and I’m getting very
depressed and angry. This is not the talk of peoople
excited about scientific discovery. These are hacks
trying to come up with ways to make the data fit a
foregone conclusion.It’s a disgrace. There needs to
be a major investigation.
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It was always clear to me that global warming caused by
human agency was a fraud. Here in Canada we have a
province called Alberta. It is a treasure house of
dinosaur bones. Dinosaurs were large reptiles, they
needed a tropical climate. Alberta is anything but
tropical today. It is possible to stand near a dinosaur
dig, face west and see glaciers left over from the last
ice age. So we know that the climate there has varied
from tropical to totally frozen and it has done so
without any human agency. There are many other places in
the world which offer similar evidence. The only thing
that would surprise me is a statement to the effect that
the earth`s climate is stable. It never has been.
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The *real* scandal isn’t that this “Hockey
Stick Team” as they are known as like to dress up
charts and use computers to cherry pick data while not
doing to by hand. The real scandal is that in doing so
they misrepresent not modern temperatures but those of
the past. How? By using trees as thermometers instead of
using thermometers as thermometers. They IGNORE the fact
that there ARE in fact wonderfully good thermometer
records that go back almost 400 years, not the 100 year
they CLAIM they only go back to.
Here is the longest record of all: http://i45.tinypic.com/iwq8a1.jpg
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What purpose is served lying about man-made global
warming? How can one benefit from any ultimate finding
that they have been wrong, and indeed a huster, unless
the disengenious are enemies of free enterprise and
democracy.
How many people were killed or imprisoned stating a contrary view of the “Holy Scriptures” inspired geocentrism before Copernicus?
Early geocentricism was supported by purely philosphical/religious reasons. Today only egocentrism spurs the myth of anthropogenic global warming.
How we laugh today at the ancients: flat-earthers,
imaginative presumption of an invisible horse inside
powering a locomotive, a tribal leader convincing
followers that his having sex with local virgins can ward
off dire meteorological events, curative bleeding a
suffer of melancholy, existence of witches, royalty as
divine, flouridated water is bad, UFOs visiting earth
from distant worlds, AIDS as a white man’s genocidal
scheme, embryonic stem cells having restorative powers,
late-term abortion as wholesome, annual mammagrams and
frequent self-examination of the breasts are unnecessary,
we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, AMONG these are Life, Liberty and pursuit of
Happiness, and on and on.
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/
November 20, 2009 1:04 PM
Hacker breaks into climate change research institution
An anonymous hacker has broken into the University of
East Anglia's Climate
Research Unit (CRU) and posted over 1000 confidential
emails from key climate change scientists online.
The emails could prove to be extremely damaging to the
reputation of the scientists and the robustness of their
research if they are revealed to be authentic.
A UEA spokesman said: "We are aware that information
from a server used for research information in one area
of the university has been made available on public
websites. Because of the volume of this information we
cannot currently confirm that all of this material is
genuine."
The authors of the emails include Philip
Jones, the Director of the CRU, Keith
Briffa, also at the CRU, and Michael Mann
at the University of Virginia.
An anonymous link to an FTP
server where the data was posted by the hacker first
appeared on the blog The
Air Vent yesterday.
According to Dave
Britton, a press officer at the Met Office, the
security breach occurred a couple of days ago. "We
don't know yet whether the data that was stolen is
authentic, but a thorough investigation is underway,"
he says.
Mann declined to comment on the content of the emails,
but added, "However, I will say this: both their
theft and, I believe, any reproduction on public web
sites, etc. of individuals emails that were obtained,
constitutes serious criminal activity. I'm hoping
that the perpetrators and their faciliators will be
tracked down and prosecuted to the fullest extent the law
allows."
On another Climate Hoax website I saw this quote:
" in the big lie there is always a certain
force of credibility; because the broad masses of a
nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper
strata of their emotional nature than consciously or
voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of
their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie
than the small lie, since they themselves often tell
small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to
resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come
into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they
would not believe that others could have the impudence to
distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts
which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their
minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue
to think that there may be some other explanation. For
the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it,
even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known
to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire
together in the art of lying.
-Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X